and i wish the obama administration would -- >> indiana and illinois. >> the key thing for business competitivene competitiveness with regard to health care, it's the slowest on record. now, you could -- >> it's the recession. >> it could be. >> the slow growth -- >> that wouldn't explain all of it. it does feel like -- of course we need more data points. >> it sharply outpaces inflation. >> not in the last two years. >> it's come down. >> not if you are somebody who is at a small company who is -- >> business is -- the most important there is the growth in the cost of health care. if this is helping to bend the cost curve -- >> if you talk to small businesses, they are looking at double digit increases. the tale of two worlds here. >> people that are 45 -- >> talk to any business person, they're adjusting and the health care industry's adjusting. >> we've got to go. >> we should have a longer conversation on this. >> yes, absolutely. >>> coming up, more data still ahead. we'll get third quarter productivity. and wow, it's incredible. are you going to be back for that? liesman will be back -- >>